The body is VERY similar and with few modifications I think it could be made to work though the sidepods might not be possible. Anyway, here's some detail shots:
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NASA racer |
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Posting out of sequence but at the Radical Cup, Slim Borgud and Simon were there representing the factory and there were two PR06s including one that they'd literally just picked up.
The body is VERY similar and with few modifications I think it could be made to work though the sidepods might not be possible. Anyway, here's some detail shots: |
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Jake Latham |
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Is the whole car quite a bit narrower than the Prosport/Clubsport? Control arms look the same size as ours, but obviously the Nik bar is shorter.
I think most of their weight savings must have been in building a smaller car -Jake |
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Matt Graham |
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How do you figure the Nik bar is shorter? It doesn't look like the dimensions of the foot box have changed at all.
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Jake Latham |
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Maybe you're right - could be the narrower tub was just throwing me off...?
-J |
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NASA racer |
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My belief is that the front chassis is the same width as our cars but it just "says" that width all the way back. and then tapers at the back. Nice setup with the rear sprocket, there's only the two jamb bolts to align it and no fiddly side bolts to deal with.
They claim this setup produces significant downforce and when I asked them about the diffuser they said it was really designed to work with the sidepods but they looked flat-bottom to me so I'm not sure how this works. The diffuser was 2" wider than on our car but a "notch" cut in the rear bodywork seems like it would work. I'm going to find out because when I recharge my budget a bit I'm going to try fitting one since my old diffuser is falling apart. VERY comfortable car to sit in. This one had seat padding and the central position meant that I was reclined a bit more but there was a lot of space around my legs even with a "round" steering wheel. This one had pneumatic paddle-shifting too. Was a really well equipped car. Interestingly Slim said they HAD to run resivoir shocks because of the amount of downforce. He said the shocks had to be able to "sqat" due to the aero load but remain shocks and only the resivoir shocks could do that. The others simply compressed and lost compliance. Something for me (at least) to think about when adding downforce. |
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Rob MTCRacing |
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The only thing that is odd is the drivers head will be directly infront of the air-scoop. Does this just prove that there is no "ram air" effect with the standard setup?
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C McConica |
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These are great photos. Thank you so much.
The diffuser looks like it is not only wider, but much taller and maybe extending longer also. The top of the diffuser looks like it touches the bottom rear "A" arm pivots. This could add to the downforce even if the main portion of the bottom is just flat. The trick is keeping the flow in the diffuser attached. Pete, I think your guide vanes in your diffuser may be key to controlling the diffuser flow. Overall, the bottom aero looks very similar to the Stohr concept. That is: The portion of the splitter that is in front of the front wheels stays low to restrict flow to the high pressure front bottom of the front wheels. The front splitter includes a diffuser that vents into the front suspension "A" arms/springs/shocks. The air vents out behind the front wheel mostly over the flat bottom throught the front curved vent of the side pods. The front edge of the side pods seems to go more straight across the car then on my ProSport side pods. The entrance to the flat botton is the flat front of the splitter in the center and the leading lower edge of the side pods. There is the additional inadvertant entrance along the side extensions below the side pods. Finally, the air that was accelerated (and lowered in pressure) as it went under the flat bottom is slowed back down in the larger rear diffusers to reduce the overall drag associated with this under body downforce. The major differences that are on the Stohr concept are: 1) The flat bottom entrance seems to be all the way across the bottom at the side pod leading edge (raised feet?). 2) The diffusers are even larger, encompassing the lower wishbones in the diffuser, and they curve outward as they blend into the flat bottom. But, I have not seen any diffuser vanes on a Stohr. 3) The rear wing is further back and lower with a very long lower side plate to allow the low pressure below the wing to complement and augment the diffuser/flat bottom generated downforce. There is no flip up spoiler on the rear deck that disrupts the low airflow to the rear wing (as there is on my ProSport). Well any way, that is what I see in the various photos. Chuck McConica |
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Paul Trayhurn |
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The front diffuser we made is very close to the Radical PRO6 design. I have posted some pictures to Jake as he has kindly put them up for us before. We are having a small batch made as some other UK runniers have asked for the same, price should come out at no more than about 240.00.
Ours is based on a Lola mould modified to suit. Rear diffuser has also been extended & made deeper to balance the front. I have to admit i am a bit sceptical of the claimed PRO6 weight as I just cant see the sort of gains they are claiming, basically you just have a narrower chassis in the cockpit area only, could 80KGs be saved there? |
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NASA racer |
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They told me that their car weighed 1050lbs empty...seems like that's realistic based on what some folks here have done on weight-savings but less than that...I'm skeptical too.
OTOH, Steel tubing is stupendously heavy and taking say 15% of the tubing out as well as lightening the body (effectively) would have quite an effect. |
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Paul Trayhurn |
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477 kgs seems a lot more realistic than the 418 kgs quoted on the Radical website...what is interesting is that the bodywork looks a lot stronger than on the 1st. PRO6 I saw at the factory, it was feather light and looked/felt good for about 1 race meeting! We are hoping to get our car around the 490/500kg mark with the current mods.
Pete how did you get on against the SR3 1500 in the race? |
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NASA racer |
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Well, the race itself was rained out...the only "complete" session I ran was the Sunday morning of the race and we were so focused on getting on-track that we sort of lost the thread of what was going on with other cars.
I went out behind one of the 1500+ PR06s and he quickly left me in the dust but I didn't get passed by any other cars. A red SR3 was closing in on me at one point but never got close enough to pass me so that's about all the "data" I had heh. We also weren't geared right but again didn't have time to change that. I think one of the best things (other than the engine being REALLY flexible and running strongly) was the flat-shifter...if there's any place you want to be able to simply yank the shifter back without lifting, it's the apex of a banked turn! I went to timing and scoring and got a printout of MY lap times for that session but didn't have any other cars for comparison and they don't seem to be putting the event on the AMB "my laps" website unfortunately. The next race is at California Speedway which is about 3X the size of Phoenix and that's where top-speed differences will be REALLY noticeable and where pure HP will rule over everything else. |
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Jake Latham |
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Back in town.
I posted the images that Paul sent along: ![]() ![]() Paul says it attaches to the bottom of the factory crushbox, and away you go... -Jake |
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NASA racer |
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wow, yeah that looks pretty much exactly like the PR06 one...nice work.
We need a group buy! |
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Paul Trayhurn |
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Got a fellow Prosport owner picking 1 up on Monday, with the second being posted. Price has worked out @ 230.00 so would be only to pleased to organize another run just let me know.
Ours looks a little battered due to a trip across the gravel trap at Donnington Park, I am absolutly sure that had it happened with the old front spoiler we would have lost the front completely, so the new design is not just better aero, but cheaper in the long run too! |
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NASA racer |
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Do the parts you're making include the aluminum bits and struts?
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Paul Trayhurn |
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Pete, can get the brackets & stays made for an extra 50.00.
The new ones have the moulded in fixing for the stay in a more central postion to spread the aero load evenly. (a la PR06). I will also be adding some rubbing strips to the front corners made from chopping board material. |
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Rob MTCRacing |
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Paul
Add me to the list of interested parties (assume you are in the UK?) Cheers Rob |
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Paul Trayhurn |
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Rob,
Am in Bourne Lincs. Simon Tilling saw the car with the diffuser on at Snetterton, he can confirm how well it works! |
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Rob MTCRacing |
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Simon goes through splitters quicker than me
Send me a mail with all the details etc - rob@mtcracing.co.uk Cheers |
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NASA racer |
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Ditto, Paul can you send me an e-mail and maybe we can figure out a price including shipping to the US.
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C McConica |
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You can count me as a potential purchaser in the USA.
I was trying to get a GFS Crush Box/Splitter, but I have not gotten any reply to my e-mail inquiry back on 6 Feb 07. So, I am looking for other alternatives. Chuck McConica |
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